Understanding the Woman in the Revelation


a woman is described in the 12th chapter of the revelation three questions arise in relation to this woman one who is she – how does she relate to events in the Old Testament and three how does she relate to events which have not yet they complex first who is this woman in Revelation 12 five says that this woman gives birth to a male child who is destined to rule the world with a water fire but before he can do that he is taken to God’s throne in heaven now for us as Christians this male child is obviously Jesus so the woman must be Mary the mother of Jesus easy however in the opening verse a woman is described as being clothed with the Sun with the moon under her feet and twelve stars in a crown on her head there’s nothing else in Scripture to link Mary with the Sun the moon and twelve stars nevertheless the imagery in this verse weather has any other meaning or not that’s been added too many catholic drawings of Mary in order to make it more obvious well specifically at the revelation chapter 12 is all about Mary over the centuries Mary’s role in the Catholic Church has evolved into one that appears to now outrank God himself he is for example referred to as the mother of God the phrase mother of Jesus as used in the Bible and used by Protestants was apparently not strong enough for what Catholic Church officials wanted to convey as God’s mother and not just the mother of Jesus Mary presumably becomes the source of all three aspects of God Father the Son and the Holy Spirit in this way Mary comes across more or less as the creator or mother of the creator the Catholic Church teaches that Mary never sinned never had sex with Joseph even after they married never died and that she is now the Queen of Heaven read Jeremiah 718 if you want to know what God thinks about this title we need a temple not one of these claims without Mary is taught in the Bible but they have all grown out of Catholic tradition for Catholics Mary is not the Queen of Heaven by virtue of the fact that she is married to the king of heaven in a way in fact there is no king god is her son remember Mary is a ruling monarch in her own right much like Queen Elizabeth in today’s world God and Jesus are elegant the wings much like Prince Charles waiting patiently for the day when they might be able to resume control of heaven and earth Catholic reasoning to support people praying to Mary is based on the argument that God himself would find it difficult to say no to his own mother this tends to undermine and circumvent the authority of both God the Father and Jesus son note then in the twelfth chapter of the revelation Mary’s baby is specifically described as being both male and as one who will rule the world with a rod of iron from this biblical description we get a picture of a masculine God with high standards and harsh judgments for those who do not measure up this forceful masculine Authority has been replaced in Catholic sinking with a soft feminine goddess Mary is one’s way around the male God and one’s way to escape the iron rod of his son Catholics are told that praying to Mary and getting her to pass their prayers onto God in Jesus will win them kinder treatment than they would get if they had prayed directly to God or Jesus the picture we are given is that of a nice mother protecting her children come on not-so-nice father and older brother because of the apparent blasphemy in this teaching Protestants often find it hard to accept the most obvious interpretation of the woman in chapter 12 of the revelation but really the problem only occurs because of an assumption that anything said in defensive marry amounts to a defense for the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrines about Mary I believe that the woman in this chapter represents much more than Mary but I think it is quite right to start by identifying this woman as married the real Mary the mother of Jesus the Mary of the Catholic Church is not the real Mary of the Bible it’s a false Mary fabricated by an apostate and a feminine church Mary herself would find such teachings and such beliefs abhorrent it was truly a great blessing that Mary received when she was chosen to be the mother of Jesus but when a woman shouted out to Jesus bless it is a woman who gave birth to you he replied more blessed is the one who hears the word of God and keeps it when Jesus’s mother and his brothers came to talk to him he left them waiting outside and pointed to the people who were listening to him teach and he said these are my mother and my brothers here is our biggest clue about who the woman really is in the twelfth chapter of the revelation Jesus had previously said that the people who put their faith in Him become his mother so this woman who gave birth to Jesus is in long opinion more than just Mary it is a tiny remnant of true believers which has existed largely unnoticed in every generation like a golden thread running through all of history here’s all of those people who have learned to listen form and listen to God Mary was a part of that golden thread in her day but only a part her special role was recognized by her cousin Elizabeth by a few shepherds by some holy man from Asia and by an old man and an old woman Simeon and Anna in a temple but not much more these people were the golden thread that runs through all of history and it was this golden thread or remnant to use a Bible term that gave birth to a male child who is destined to rule the world with a rod of iron the revelation gives three different descriptions of this one woman but they all appear to represent different aspects of a faithful remnant there is the bride who is waiting for her husband found in the 21st chapter of the resurrection this is universally believed to be the church waiting for Jesus to each other then there is this woman in the wilderness from the 12th chapter of the revelation and finally there is what has been called the version army a group of 144,000 faithful followers of Jesus who are described as female virgins membership in the church includes men and women both so the feminine description the Bride of Christ is not limited to female Christians the Bible says that there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus the description of this Bride of Christ symbolizes the church’s submissive role to Jesus whether we are male or female we must all become as females in our relationship to that male child who is Jesus he is our corporate husband and it is our job to serve Him and to glorify Him like a humble submissive try not to glorify ourselves and try to manipulate him as happens and so must be passes for Christianity similarly the Virgin Army is described as specifically female virgins but it also says of the people in this army that they quote kept themselves from women that has made many people claim that the people in this army must be male virgins that is men who have never had sex but the use of a word that represents only female virgins verifies that this is not about physical gender so what does it mean to keep ourselves from women if we are in fact spiritually women anyway I would say that Jesus is looking for people that is his bride who refused to be controlled by some trait that is normally associated with women or would being effeminate in their relationship to Jesus such people would need to be soft pliable and submissive prod in their relationships with the world it would need to be strong and masculine exposing and rejecting all lies and deception in recent times scientists have been able to identify one half of the brain which is dominant in women and one half it is dominant in men in brief the masculine side is the rational side whereas the feminine side is the emotional one all of us have both hounds but the tendency is for men to control their emotions through reasoning and for women to challenge reason on the basis of emotions the differences are not absolute and they are much more complicated than what I’ve said here nevertheless they seem consistent with a feminine or feminist spirit the divergent Army has rejected a cure a group of people including both males and females biologically who have learned to control their emotions even if it’s just by working in cooperation with someone else who is able to help them to control their emotions such a group would be able to keep itself from this feminine tendency while not denying the emotional side of the personalities these people would learn to exercise the rational side of the brain thus maintaining a spiritual equilibrium when writing to the Ephesians about the different roles of husbands and wives Paul finished by saying this is a mystery for untalked about Christ in the church all is famous for having said some fairly offensive things it’s about women being in submission to men and about him keeping silence to the church although he may not have fully understood it himself at the time it is possible that these statements too were mysteries as he called them he may have been communicating a mystery about not letting our emotions overrule our reason not in our private lives nor in our families nor in our churches ultimately all of us have problems with emotions getting the better of us at times but true submission to Jesus should counteract this tendency spiritually we become wise living in submission to and under the protection of our husband Jesus this submission to Jesus in turn makes us strong and well informed keeping us from being tossed about by all the fancy words and false doctrines that had taken the church in the world farther and farther away from the real Jesus of the bottle so in terms of who this woman is it is reasonable to conclude that she is Mary the mother of Jesus in part but also that she is much more than that along with two other good women referred to in the revelation she represents faithful believers who are and have been in total submission to God throughout history so now we move to our next question how does she relate to the Old Testament this woman standing on the moon and clothed with a son could just as easily represent her husband Joseph or the three wise men or the shepherds through their mutual submission to God all of these people and many others before them brought Jesus into the world they became his mother and his brothers as jesus said to those who listened to him Mary was biologically a woman when Joseph was biologically a man they both needed to learn to be feminine in their submission to God yet masculine in terms of not letting emotions lead them astray spiritually their success in doing this is why they were represented as having given birth to the male child Jesus in this chapter it was only natural for Mary to be worried that Jesus might go off the rails in his zeal to obey God but at some point she must have acknowledged the role of Jesus and later his disciple John as her human and spiritual protector for she was there with the other disciples on the day of Pentecost she’s not seen as the queen of all what was going on but as a humble submissive servant and this is what God wants from all of us if we’re going to truly give birth to Jesus in a world which Bradley needs to hear him and to heed what he has taught the real Mary would have no trouble recognizing this she was just a part of a faithful remnant of Israel a remnant which had stayed true to God and a leadings of his spirit throughout the ages and she would have no problem but acknowledging that the incarnation of Christ was a gift from God to all of us now I’ll read that first verse from the chapter in question there appeared a great wonder in heaven a woman clothed with the Sun and the moon under her feet and upon her head a crown of twelve stars this obviously does not fit our normal understanding of Mary’s life as portrayed in the Bible it is only the creation of Catholic icons with Mary portrayed in this way that causes anyone to naturally think of her as being clothed with the Sun or any of the other things in this description however the analogy of the Sun the moon and the twelve stars does take us back to the 37th chapter of Genesis Joseph one of Israel’s twelve sons had a dream in which his parents and his eleven brothers represented by the Sun the Moon and Eleven stars all bowed down to him this was a reminder to that special family long before any concept of twelve tribes had formulated that God did not have to bless all the descendants of Abraham in order to keep his promise in fact he was only going to bless those who had the faith of Abraham and the same is true today affiliation where the church means absolutely nothing if you don’t have the faith of Abraham Ishmael was Abraham’s son remember yet he did not receive the promise Esau was Isaac’s son yet he did not receive the promise and in Joseph’s dream is other 11 brothers who later became patriarchs of 11 tribes were forced to bow to him as the one who alone had acted in obedience to God at that time and in that situation Joseph was obviously the only one who had to faith of Abraham now notice that Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt and yet God delivered him in the Christmas story we read in another Joseph Mary’s fiance was the one to whom an angel of God appeared telling him to flee into Egypt with Mary and the baby sure Mary gave birth to baby Jesus but God used Joseph to save his life it was Mary submission to Joseph that resulted in her making such a move even though she herself had never seen nor heard the angel with spoke to Joseph so God did something special for both Joseph and what he did was significant in terms of identifying this woman she represents those people who have been open to hearing from God throughout history God spoke to both Joseph’s through dreams and he protected both of them in Egypt one of the least likely places to expect God to use as a refuge then there is a story of God leading the children of Israel out of Egypt in the Old Testament virtually all of those who left Egypt were destroyed in the wilderness once again God rejected the mainstream and called out a remnant Moses himself missed out and Joshua became the new seed or descendent a promise the named Joshua and the name Jesus are used interchangeably in Hebrews chapter 4 verse 8 with the name Jesus is used in the King James Version and the name Joshua in most other translations the Jews themselves are remnant in a 10 of the 12 tribes had totally disappeared by the time of the New Testament and Paul understood that Christianity was a new remnant from those proud Jewish people as well see Isaiah chapter 37 verses 31 and 32 and compare that with a romans chapter 11 verse 5 because of their faithlessness God had the right to remove the promise from the mainstream and he did just that over and over he was under no obligation to fulfill a promise to any who did not stay faithful to him faithfulness was always an assumed condition but rebellious people everywhere and throughout history have told themselves that God is somehow obligated to keep some perceived promise whether or not they ever obey Him see Deuteronomy chapter 11 verses 26 to 28 with the same people who are offered a blessing are also offered a curse and it is only their behavior which will determine which promise will most affect them only a remnant entered the promised land under the leadership of Joshua the point made was that God works through small groups or the through huge organizations and that he is always free to dump those who refuse to listen to him now we will move to our last question the one that is most significant for those of us who are alive on you today how does this woman relate to the return of Jesus [Music] twelve tribes of Israel are described in the revelation many Christians have been tricked into believing these twelve tribes will be flesh Jews despite abundant proof an overwhelming reality to the contrary the most obvious be that the Jews are not 12 drives 10 drives simply do not exist anymore James addressed his epistle to the twelve tribes of Israel scattered abroad God had long since rejected and of the tribes of Israel and the remnant that became the church was all the remained of the other two in God’s eyes nevertheless those individuals who accepted Jesus became the new Israel a resurrection of all 12 tribes they became the new church in the wilderness the remnant that brings Jesus forth to the world there is a slight but significant change in the naming of the tribes in the revelation the tribe of Dan is left out and Joseph has given two tribes one for himself and one for his oldest son Manasseh this seems to be a pointer to the lesson God was trying to teach through Joseph’s dream and a lesson he wants us to learn from the twelfth chapter of the revelation the remnant or true church was there in the Old Testament even when it appeared that the entire crowd was rebelling against Moses in his sermon just before his death Stephen the first Christian martyr referred to this remnant as the church in the wilderness of Sinai I believe he was saying that the church or the remnant of Israel and a New Testament is the natural progression of that church or remnant of Israel that was faithful in the wilderness and the old customer and I believe that the church in the wilderness woken up in the revelation chapter 12 is a remnant of the apostate institutional Church of today during the last seven years this remnant Church will become visible and it will survive and another wilderness situation just before Jesus returns in both wildernesses that were and will be no shops and no way to buy or sell what God will provide in one way or another we will be fed with manna from heaven we will become a testimony to the whole world as a wicked world led by the devil incarnate because all that it can to snap us out what we see in the twelfth chapter of the revelation is but one more reminder that is not the system not the mainstream not the empire’s of man that God is interested in he’s interested in those rare and isolated individuals who will follow him like Noah though we may be the last remaining faithful person on earth God is calling to all such individuals today to get a clearer vision of his son and all that Jesus came to tell us about how to live our lives and how to build our churches and don’t be surprised at the end result is that you find yourself all alone in the wilderness with God

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