The following program was paid for by the friends and partners of Kyle Winkler Ministries. Welcome to a very special show. I’ve invited a fascinating guest to sit down with me for a conversation that’s both profound and entertaining but ultimately, one I know will ratchet up your relationship with God. Eric Samuel Timm has become renowned for bringing his messages to life adding live art to his passionate dynamic communication style and he’s done it in over 35 countries. Now, Eric’s here with me to share the secrets of his inspiration, the must know keys to how he hears the voice of God, overcomes fear and doubt and lives out his purpose. Ready to experience the same in your life? My riveting conversation with Eric Samuel Timm starts now. Kyle: Now, Eric you could do just like a lot of us and just speak. Eric: Right. Kyle: But you actually take it up a notch or maybe a bunch of notches. Eric: [laughter] Kyle: really and you add live art to your speaking and your preaching now, but just more than just being cool, Kyle: there’s a point and there’s a purpose to you having this live art isn’t there? Eric: Yeah Kyle: Why do you do it? Eric: I think we’re all gifted first of all in something. Kyle: Mmhm Eric: Speaking is an art. Eric: I think there’s a difference between a speaker and a communicator and a communicator and an orator. And I think that there are levels of Eric: skill like, you know, levels, um, of skill in any other field, especially when it comes to communication. Eric: The one thing I will say that the art does is it lets people, well Eric: frankly, see what they can hear. Kyle: Now I know some people look at somebody like you and they say “I can’t do that.” “I can’t do what you’re doing.” Kyle: “I’m not there.” “I’m not good enough.” You know, all these things and comparisons… Eric: Mmhm Kyle:…that come forward, but you weren’t there either long ago Kyle: I mean you talk about being in a very different position than you are now Kyle: I think that you mentioned that you failed speech class. Kyle: You got Cs and Ds…Eric: Yeah. Kyle…in English class. Eric: Horrible. Kyle: And and you never took an art class beyond high school… Eric: High school. Kyle:…or something. Eric: Yep. Kyle: And so isn’t that how God works with a lot of us… Eric: Yeah. Kyle:…and takes us from positions that are completely different from Kyle: we are now? So tell us where did all this begin for you? Kyle: How did you… Eric: Yeah. Kyle:…get on this journey to get to where you are now? That’s a good question. Eric: Well, first of all, contrastive in our weaknesses, I think people say, “I’m not good enough.” “I can’t get there.” Eric: “I can’t arrive.” “I don’t have the skillset.”, Eric: whatever the case may be, the list of excuses, I guess, is what you kind of… Kyle: That’s right. Eric:…Threw out? Eric: And I think when we start saying things like, “This is what we don’t have.”, what we forget Eric: especially, in the economy of the kingdom, what we don’t have he does. Kyle: Oh that’s good. Eric: And where we leave off, God Eric: you know, picks up… Kyle: That’s right. Eric:…and what we’re attempting in our weakness, Eric: so too often his strength is made great. Kyle: Oh, absolutely. Eric: It’s out of our deficiency that so much of the times we operate successfully Kyle: Yes. Eric: Because we realize it’s really not us. Eric: And I think people, when they are saying those types of paradigms, Eric: hey, if you’re attempting this and it’s gonna be dismal failure, unless God does show up. Kyle: Definitely. Eric: Go for it. Kyle: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Eric: Ya know, because you’re finally living in a realm of faith. Eric: That’s beautiful. Kyle: And that’s what it’s been for my life so much. I was a pre school dropout. I mean who’s ever heard of that? [laughing] Eric: Not me ’til just now.[laughter] Kyle: [laughter] Yeah, and so timid and shy so it’s amazing I’m doing what I’m doing. Kyle: But so, God takes the no bodies… Eric: A hundred percent. Kyle:…and turns him into somebody’s, he takes the foolish things of the world and confounds the wise. Eric: Yeah, and… Kyle: And I think that’s what he’s done through you. Eric: Well, and I think he does that through all of us Eric: I am fortunate enough to have a, some sort of a, quote, unquote, perspective that people carry. Kyle: Yeah. Eric: The comparison piece Eric: I think you touched upon is huge. Kyle: Yeah. Eric: People are always looking at someone else’s success as their failure. Kyle: Yes. Absolutely. Eric: But really to answer your question, I got started by being obedient and puttin’ to death fear. Kyle: Obedient and putting to death fear. Eric: Just moving through the fear, you know fear you got to move into it. You got to move beyond it. Eric: You’re always gonna have it. You’re never gonna be good enough. Kyle: That’s right. Eric: You’re never going to be ready. Eric: You know, and the reality is is you have to move through that, ahhh, Eric: you have to be obedient to that calling Eric: ah, versus, you know, subject to that fear and it’s gonna cost you something, you know, as far as sacrifice is concerned. Eric: Ah, yes, I didn’t do very well in speech and yes, Eric: I got season Cs and Ds in English and I didn’t take an art class in high school. Kyle: You weren’t a contender for valedictorian, were you? Eric: [laughter] Not a close. I wish. Kyle: [laughter] Eric: But what I’ve had to do when I found the passion for the gifts that I think God was sparking me into Eric: was, you know, work very hard in the natural so he could continue to do the super. Kyle: And do your part? Eric: Yeah. He does the super, I do the natural. Kyle: That’s good. Eric: And when it comes to our gifts Eric: we really have to participate in that process. Kyle: Yeah, one of probably the most powerful pieces that I’ve seen you paint Kyle: I think you call it, “Repaint Jesus” and Kyle: in it you, in the message, you say many of us have associated God with Kyle: something that man has done to us, and I know I talk about that a lot, Genesis 1:7 says, or 1:27, Kyle: says we’re made in God’s image… Eric: Right. Kyle:…rather the enemy tries to use all kinds of things to try to make it seem like Kyle: God is according to our image our pain and our struggles… Eric: Mmhm. Kyle:…and tries to distort the goodness and the character of God Kyle: Based on that. But in, “Repaint Jesus,” you actually show people it wasn’t God that hurt you Kyle: it wasn’t Jesus that did that. Will you speak to that? Eric: Yeah. Kyle: I think somebody needs to hear more of that message. Eric: Yeah, Augustine, “If you can comprehend it it isn’t God.” Eric: I can’t remember the other theologian, Eric: “But save God from God.”, like the reality of our misconceptions of who Jesus is, I think, especially, here in the West, Eric: where we have these Eric: churches, and we raised in these situations, people really equate the negative aspects of religion to Eric: their Creator. They take the baggage that they read about on news or they’ve experienced in the front pages of their own life Eric: and they apply that logic to Christ. And, Eric: Jesus isn’t the one that hurt them. Eric: Jesus isn’t the one that split that church. Jesus isn’t the one that Eric: did those Eric: unspeakable acts, Eric: you know, behind closed doors. And when we have that so closely associated to the messengers of God,… Kyle: Yeah. Eric:…you know, Eric: I think Bonhoeffer says it best. “I have to constantly be wiping the mud from the face of Christ.” Kyle: Oh say that again. “You have to constantly be wiping the mud… Eric:…from the face of Christ.” Kyle: [whew] Eric: And I think as Christians as followers of Christ, we got to really say, “Hey Eric: this is the real portrait of Christ.” And to “Repaint Jesus,” is to white out the Eric: misconceptions of who they think Jesus is that’s been based in religion and really restore and repair Eric: the the real Jesus, the image of who he really is Eric: through his word and through his life and through his teachings. You Kyle: and I are both in ministry, and I think that you would agree with me, Kyle: I know that you would agree with me, that everything that you do Kyle: has to flow out of Kyle: intimacy and relationship with God. Not just five minutes of prayer. Not just a five minute intimacy with God. Eric: Right. Kyle: Not just a Kyle: daily or weekly reading of some devotional. Eric: Yep Kyle: Not that those are bad things, Kyle: but we have to have a constant conversation. Eric: Mmhm Kyle: A life with God where all this inspiration flows from. Eric: Right. Kyle: But a lot of people don’t have that. What would you say is the greatest Kyle: hindrance for people in Kyle: having that intimate everyday constant conversation lifestyle with God? Eric: Well, I think, first of all, Eric: let me ask you a question? Kyle: Sure. Eric: How long is, you know, the branch connected to the vine? Kyle: Oh. Eric: Five minutes a day? Kyle: No. Eric: Or all day? Ya know. Kyle: Yeah. It better be all day or it’s dead, right? Eric: Exactly. Eric: And I think that’s, right there where we get into the first pitfall, is I think. people want to put their Eric: relationship with God in the compartment of their workout. Or they want to put it in the compartment of Eric: this pre morning ritual. Kyle: So I check off my relationship with God and I move on to the rest of the day because I got that done. Eric: So I gave him 25 minutes, so great. Eric: But, uh, then the rest of the 24 hours and 35 or 23 hours 35 minutes of the day are mine. Eric: And so we sort of compartmentalize the two from that perspective. Eric: it’s just as detrimental or just as toxic Eric: of not inviting him into the 25 as it is to not invite him into the rest of it. Eric: So I think that’s, first of all… Kyle: Yeah Eric:…um, a Eric: guess a sticking point, where the way that we’re, um, Eric: wired, of the way, that like, even devotionals are marketed to people. Eric: You know five-minute devos. Kyle: 30 days to this…Yeah. Eric: And then four minutes. Kyle: Yeah. Eric: And then three minute abs and then no abs. Kyle: [laughing] Eric: What? Just sit down. Kyle: Just sit down and strap the belt to ya and let it do the work. Eric: Just eat popcorn. Kyle: It doesn’t work, by the way. I tried it. Eric: I noticed. I didn’t want to say anything. Eric & Kyle [laughing] Eric: I didn’t want to say anything, hopefully the camera’s cropped. But the truth is is I think that, that is like that quick and easy Eric: microwave sort of Christianity that’s marketed to us… Kyle: Yeah. Eric:…”Five minutes with Jesus is all you need,” and meanwhile Eric: we don’t invite him in the rest of the currency that is our life. Kyle: Yeah. Eric: Uh, that’s a scary, I guess, scary paradigm. The second thing is, I think we forget that our relationship with Christ Eric: that Jesus, Eric: yes, Eric: He’s God. Yes, Eric: he’s a name above all names. But he has a will, um, a character. We forget that Jesus is a person. Eric: He’s God, Eric: but he’s also this person in the Gospels. And we forget that we’re supposed to seek that person, after finding that person. Eric: He’s perpetual discovery. And I think some along the way just find Jesus and then they don’t pursue Jesus. Kyle: And that’s kind of it. Eric: “I found God.” “I found God.” Kyle: “I’m ok now.” Eric: Yeah, and his mercies are new every morning in the depth that’s there Eric: It’s like any Eric: horizontal relationship that you have. Eric: The deeper that you invest, the longer that you are with that person, the more you know. Kyle: I’ve heard it said before that love is spelled T. I. M. E. Eric: Yeah. Kyle: And you know, if you love your spouse you’re going to spend time with them. If you love your friend, you’re going to spend time with them. Oh yeah, “time”, Eric: [chuckles] Oh yeah I remember spelling, wasn’t… Kyle: That part of school wasn’t good either. [laughing] Eric: I was tracking. Kyle: [laughing] Kyle: But if you love God, you’re going to want to spend time with Him. Eric: Yeah. Kyle: Not as, as, you always say, “Not as, as a ‘have to”, but a ‘get to.'” Eric: Yeah. Eric: And then the third thing, I think to add to that…by the way, when I spell it’s like tinsel like Eric: the English language, it has access to the entire one and I stump spellcheck. How is that possible? But it is….Kyle: [Laughing] Eric: Anyway, Eric: the last, I guess, paradigm, I would say that keeps us from doing this…I think Eric: we forget that God has got no grandchildren. Eric: He’s got sons and daughters and Eric: we live on the coat heels of someone else’s faith. Eric: You know, we’ve, we follow in the wake of someone else’s life. Kyle: It doesn’t work. Eric: It’s got to be yours. It’s got to be your pursuit. Eric: It’s got to be your questions. Eric: You got to dig for, what you gonna dig for so you can uncover for yourself Eric: what you’re truly searching for. And you know, I think those Eric: sort of, three paradigms… Kyle: Yeah. Eric:…keep us from that… Kyle: God is a person. Eric:…inviting him into all of it, yeah. Kyle: And God has no grandchildren. Kyle: We, we’re all children of God. Kyle: We can’t get to him or have a relationship with him by our parents or by something else. Eric: Yeah, and he owns the currency of your Eric: entire life, not just 15 minutes. Eric: It’s a good place to start. Kyle: Oh yes, gosh, absolutely. That’s powerful. You’re a master of Kyle: illustration and I know one that you use for all the hindrances that try to keep us from this life with God… Eric: Yeah. Kyle: Something called, “Cardboard Boxes.” Eric: Yeah. Build a wall in ways. Kyle: We talked a little bit about how the noise builds up in our lives and what that, kind of looks like, because I think a Kyle: lot of people, they Kyle: just go about their everyday life and they don’t realize… Eric: Right. Kyle:…all the noise that they’re consumed by, or maybe better yet, that consumes them. Eric: Yeah, that’s a good Eric: question and that is a reality that people are dealing with. I think our world is Eric: noisier than it has ever been and it’s only going to get more, I guess, Eric: deafening. If you took the image of a cardboard box and you labeled that box for a Eric: allotted number of time, whether it be an hour Eric: every day, and then you actually looked at the wall that you’re building with the Eric: use of your time in investing into that noise…Your noise is probably different than mine, Eric: that is probably different than someone else’s. But a lot of social media, a lot of TV, a lot of binge watching Eric: Netflix, or whatever the case may be. I mean at the end of the day, we really know it just Eric: doesn’t matter. Kyle: Yeah. Eric: I mean, let’s be honest. Eric: It’s sort of that Eric: you know time that we have that we just kind of give away and it’s Eric: slow but surely, we realize, “It’s 10 o’clock and I better get up.,” you know? Eric: So the noise though being attached to a wall, and I actually do this in a video, where we take each box having it represent Eric: time and then an allotted amount of time rather, Eric: sorry, and then you stack up this wall, you know, for your normal week and what what if it’s 2 hours a day? Kyle: Yeah Eric: Well, that’s… Kyle: Suddenly this thing starts to build. Eric: Yeah. Quick math, that’s uh… Kyle: You don’t even realize it. Eric: That’s, you know, 14 Eric: boxes in a week, 14 hours, you start doing the math of just two hours a day, and by the time you turn 40 Eric: approximately 10% of your life Eric: has been invested into these things that just don’t matter. Kyle: That’s sobering to think about. Eric: When you turn, when your kids turn 10, Eric: you’re “screen to face” Eric: rather than “face to face.” Kyle: Mmm Eric: You know, it’s a, it’s a slippery slope, of just 2 hours a day of investing into the things that really don’t matter. Eric: They’re not necessarily evil, Eric: they just don’t pay us a high return on our life’s currency investment. Eric: And everything has a return, and when you start looking at it in the paradigm of a “Cardboard Wall”…. Kyle: You really see it. Eric: You can see it. Yeah. Kyle: So if somebody’s saying, “I want to break through that wall.” Eric: Yeah. Kyle: “I want to get rid of the noise.” Kyle: “I want to hear God.” Eric: Yeah. Kyle: Where do you say they begin? Eric: Hmm… Eric: I think in the morning. I think what happens in the morning dictates a lot of your day. Eric: So I would really caution people for the next 30, 60, 90 days, ask yourself, Eric: “Have you invested time with Jesus today before you invested time in the noise?” If the answer’s, “No.” Eric: Then don’t live out of order and expect order. Kyle: Oh, that’s good. Eric: And the other thing I would say is, Joshua does something very different in the famous story of Jericho. Eric: Um, he’s a warrior and Eric: God instructs him to walk around the city in silence. That always struck me. Eric: You got this guy born with a sword in his hand and even thinking about Lord of the Rings and the battering rams and like Eric: The big tar things, they flow, and like if you had big Orcs or whatever, you know. Eric: But God says, “No walk around in silence.” and I’m convinced that for our walls to come down Eric: we can’t do what we’re doing. Eric: We have to do something different. Kyle: Well, you talk about this concept of, “we have to be a ‘Static Jedi’.” Eric: Mmhm. Kyle: What what do you mean by that? Kyle: Easy, two fold, Eric: It’s a “get to” not a “have to,” “static” is balance, equilibrium, “Jedi” form of mastery. So like this, um, Eric: Static represents the noise? Kyle: Yeah. Eric: And also “static” is actually noise and clutter and then “Jedi” actually is “beloved by God.” Eric: So if you flip those…that’s a Hebrew boys name. Kyle: Is that right? Eric: “Beloved by God?” Yeah, “Jedidiah,” look it up, babynames.com. Eric: But what happens is, you put those two paradigms together and you have this, Eric: you know, “at rest, in equilibrium, beloved by God.” Kyle: So in Christ, you already are a “Static Jedi.” Kyle: You’re already… Kyle: And He’s the “Static Master.” Eric: You’re already a hundred percent at balance in Eric: this equilibrium, this “static state, beloved by God.” There’s nothing more that you have to do. Now a journey to become a “Static Jedi,” Eric: somebody who “masters the noise that seeks to master you” so it’s just two fold, two realities that collide in that name Eric: because of “static” and because of the, you know, duality and the word “Jedi” and there again, Eric: It’s it’s a “get to” not a “have to.” Something that, um, Eric: spiritual fathers and disciplines have laid out, but not out of legalism, in this book. Eric: Out of privilege, out of pursuit. And there’s a difference. Kyle: You share about a practice that you have, in which, you wake up early in the morning and you have coffee with Jesus. Eric: Yeah. Eric: And you even say that you you set up or you set out a second cup of coffee for Jesus. Eric: My kids have caught me. They think I’m crazy. Eric: People have seen it, at like a hotel, and they go, “Who’s that for?” and I go, “Sit down.”…you know…go on. Kyle: Well, my question is, Is when you’re having coffee with Jesus, does that second cup of coffee ever get drank? Eric: No. Kyle: Because that’s a whole different interview, right? Eric: I would call you. Eric: “Yeah the coffee was there, now. It’s not!” Kyle: [laughing] Eric: No, I actually I think Jesus maybe doesn’t like it…maybe he’s a tea guy. I guess. I don’t know. Kyle: Probably. Eric: Yeah, he um, he’s never drank it. Kyle: But yeah, so why do you do it? What’s the point behind it? Eric: Well there again, I think God is experiential. Eric: I think aesthetics and that stuff matter. Eric: If it didn’t he wouldn’t give the instructions, like the Ark, that he did. And so when I set a Eric: cup of coffee here and a cup of coffee here, Eric: it’s a way of inviting Jesus into the currency, that is that space. It’s almost like I acknowledged that he’s there. Kyle: So it helps you? Eric: Yeah. It’s a visual reminder and at the same time, you know, I like a second cup iced. Eric: So that works out well. Kyle: That works out for you to. Do people need to do that or do they figure out something? Eric: No, I think it’s, I think the Holy Spirit can direct people, but I think the point is invite Jesus into the currency Eric: that’s your life. Kyle: That’s good. Eric: Maybe it’s your Eric: commute. Maybe it’s your gym time. Maybe it’s your walk. Maybe it is coffee. Kyle: Whatever it is. Eric: Maybe it’s with your kids, you know Eric: um, you know… Kyle: Invite him into it. Eric: Yeah. Just, just acknowledged that he’s there. ‘Cuz he already is there and I think we see him when we acknowledge a space he already Eric: occupies. And so for me just having coffee, Eric: number one, is starting the day right. I don’t measure sleep anymore with three kids. Kyle: Yeah, I bet you don’t. Eric: I measure it in cups of coffee. Kyle: [laughing] Eric: So my wife says, “How’s it going?” “Eight cups.” You know what I mean? Kyle: That explains it all there. Eric: “How many hours?” “Four cups.” You know, Eric: it was a good night. Kyle: [laughing] Eric: But the reality is, you, you invite that, ah, Eric: moment to be sacred that normally just would be coffee at a hotel or some airport. Kyle: And now it’s a coffee with Jesus. Eric: Yeah Kyle: You talk about, in your book, Kyle: you go into the issue of identity. Now identity is a big part of my ministry. I’ve kind of called it “identity based warfare”, what I teach, in which I go to war Kyle: and teach other people how to go to war against the lies and the fears and the insecurities, all the things the enemy tries to Kyle: put on us with the truth of what God’s Word says. Eric: Right. Kyle: The truth of what he says about us that we are in Christ. Eric: That’s good. That’s much needed. Kyle: And so you say in your book that? Kyle: “Noise pulls us back to who we used to be.” Eric: Mmm Kyle: Explain that. Eric: Yeah. I think we used to be something Eric: before Christ. I think the whole Bible is filled with “used to be’s” Eric: and big “buts.” Kyle: [laughing] Eric: You know what I’m saying? Like a, Eric: “But Jesus…then this happened.” And thank God for big “buts” in the Bible. Kyle: [laughing] Eric: But when we Eric: really go back to that cyclical cycle of noise, you know Eric: we’re really going back to the flesh. Eric: We’re going back to who we were. And I think a lot of times noise in itself, Eric: the clutter that it is, we’re tuning more into the “flesh” man or woman Eric: versus the “renewed” Eric: “Spirit man or woman.” I think it pulls us back “to.” Kyle: To the old. Eric: To the old. Kyle: It keeps us from the new life that Jesus died for us to have. Eric: Yeah. Kyle: Which is all about relationship. Kyle: Which is what we’re talking about. Eric: Yeah Eric: Yeah. Kyle: It keeps us from having that intimacy. Eric: Right. And then people start saying, “I’m a sinner saved by grace.” Kyle: Which is the biggest lie ever. Eric: Yeah. Amen. Kyle: You’re a Christian that can’t be your identity. Eric: No. No, you’re not a “sinner saved by grace.” You used to be a sinner. Eric: Now you’re a son. Now you’re a daughter. Kyle: Even though you still sin. Eric: Mm-hmm. Kyle: But that’s not who you are now. Eric: That’s not who you are. Eric: You may drop the ball Eric:but that does not define you. What He did defines you. And so I think a lot of times the noise Eric: reverses that in the sense, where they’re going back to the flesh. Kyle: Yeah Eric: And, “Woah is me me.” and, “This is what I am.” and they constantly put those labels of identity on them Eric: never moving beyond them. Eric: It’s like we look in the rearview mirror Eric: and we get so focused there, that we forget the windshield that God’s got in front of us. Eric: The noise keeps us looking back and clarity and pursuit of Christ keeps us looking forward. The road isn’t back there. Eric: The new life’s up there. You’ve turned and walked from that place now walk to the new space that God has for you. Kyle: So good. Eric: Yeah, I’m preaching now. Kyle: No, that’s good. Eric: But you know what I’m saying, man. Kyle: Yeah, absolutely. Kyle: You reference that, Jesus is our “Static Master.” and we need to follow his example. Eric: Yeah. Kyle: And of course if we’re going to learn how to have an intimate close Kyle: relationship with God… Eric: Mmhmm Kyle:…And who better to look at than the very son of God for how to have that relationship. Eric: Yeah. Kyle: And you mention five keys, and we can’t get into all five, Kyle: but there is one key to having that deep Kyle: intimate close relationship with God that I really want you to go into and that is that Jesus memorized Kyle: God’s Word. And I know you you talk about just how he did it, how much he did it. Kyle: I never heard it before but tell us about that and how we apply that in our life, why it matters for us. Eric: Yeah, real simple Jesus’s ministry, Eric: if you read about what he did in those three years, it’s crazy…you know…People use the word balance…and you know, Eric: I’m not sure I would equate what happened Eric: there as balance, you know. Kyle: To having balance, no. Eric: Like the perfect paradigm, you rock here and rest here. Kyle: He didn’t give everything equal time. Eric: Nobody recorded his trip to Malta, like where he was just on the beach with the guys, you know… Kyle: Right. Eric: Like that didn’t happen. Kyle: Right. Eric: So there’s got to be something more to it. And I think Eric: specifically, when we’re talking about one of the keys to hear God’s voice or to hear through this noise is to hear what God has said, Eric: what he’s saying, versus what others are saying or what someone else has said. Kyle: What is found in His Word. Eric: Yeah, and Jesus was a rabbi and he taught with authority Eric: or “Shemittah” of the Torah. And Eric: with Jewish tradition, even being what it is today, to be able to even do that Eric: not alone of the ceremony and all the rest of it, you had to have the entire Old Testament memorized. Eric: I mean the amount of scripture that he memorized, just by practice. Kyle: So Jesus would have had the whole Old Testament memorized? Eric: You know, you can look at scholars, what they would say and you can look at Eric: historical Rabbinic, Eric: you know, Jewish tradition and when you teach the master Torah with, with authority you would have the Torah Eric: internalized or memorized Eric: definitely like Isaiah, Ezekiel Eric: you know, Psalms, Proverbs, all of these things, when you take that Bible that Jesus had, the scriptures or collections of scriptures, Eric: He knew it. Kyle: I just never thought about that. Eric: It was unbelievable. Eric: And one of the things that, what really blew me away, is when you think about how he wowed people when he was 12, Eric: think about the time that he started studying those scriptures. Eric: When he’s at the synagogue teaching from that. Kyle: Mmhm. Eric: you know. Eric: So we got a we got to understand that God’s Word is the very thing that Eric: we “read to change” not “read to finish.” Eric: We got to understand that the Word of God is sharper any two edged sword, it interprets us, it equips us. Eric: Um, but you know… Kyle: How do we get into that or do we need to Kyle: memorize it like Jesus said? Do I need to have the whole Old Testament memorized? Eric: No Kyle: Because I’ve got a late start here. Eric: Yeah, right take the pressure off. Kyle: Ok. Eric: God loves you whether you own a Bible or not. Kyle: Whew, ok, I can rest easy. Eric: Yes, you can but I do think that we need a journey somewhere. And if you know more about the scripture than you did last Eric: week. And it’s not knowing scripture for scriptures sake. You’re not looking for information here. We’re looking for revelation. We’re looking for heart revelation verses Eric: uh, mental information. Kyle: Because it’s the revelation that brings the transformation. Eric: Yeah, and if you…Yes, and if you start there, I think that’s a great place, just to ask that question, “Do I know more Eric: revelation from the Word of God than I did last week?” Eric: And if you’re on that path, whether you know the whole thing memorized or whether you know, just bits and pieces of verses memorized Eric: you’re on the track of becoming like Jesus, Eric: and less like yourself and that’s. I think, that’s the whole point. Kyle: That’s really the point of everything we’re talking about here. For the person Kyle: that’s watching right now, and they, they want that intimate relationship with God… Eric: Mmhm Kyle: but they’ve been battling the noise of regrets and the noise of struggles and the pains and the things that people said about them and all of that junk that’s out there. Would you speak to them right now? Kyle: Just say a prayer for them as we close? Eric: And so can I just pray for you that you’re here if you’re a mom, if you’re a Eric: dad, Eric: if you’re a student, and you’re caught in the undertow of social media and comparison. The toxic reality that your identity’s being eroded. If Eric: you’re a Eric: person in ministry and you’re so busy, ah, Eric: that you forgot to be ministered to Eric: so you can minister from. I don’t know what the situation is, but God knows your noise, he knows Eric: where clarity lies and it just simply starts with you pursuing Jesus, past finding Jesus and once finding Jesus, Eric: He’s perpetual discovery. So let me just pray that over your life. God Eric: I just, I just ask that right here right now in this space Eric: wherever this person is, that’s watching this, and whatever medium and whatever source that they’re in God, I pray that you would meet them Eric: where they’re at that your grace would meet them and your truth would refuse to leave them there. That they would continue to Eric: wade through the clutter and pursue you. To pick up that Eric: journey again to be intentional with their time and how they invest it, so they can know more of you, Eric: love more of you and see you clearer in all of their life’s currency and every hour of every day. In Eric: Jesus name. Amen. Kyle: Amen. Kyle: Thank you, Eric so much. Kyle: Man, my pleasure. Thank you Jesus said,
“My sheep hear my voice.” But can you really say you hear God? The main reason many can’t, I believe, is because we’re inundated with noise. Social media, TV, 24/7 news, all competing for our attention. But as you just heard from my conversation with Eric Samuel Timm, you can overthrow the “Empire of Noise.” So to help you, we’re offering a special package. This package includes Eric’s book, Static Jed: The Art of Hearing God Through Noise. Like Eric, it’s creative and entertaining and packed with profound meaning. If you’re ready to live above distractions, if you are ready to overcome fear and doubt, if you are ready to experience intimacy with God, then Static Jedi is a must-read, but also crucial to hearing God’s voice is hearing God’s Word. So to accompany Static Jedi, we’re including my Experience Freedom audio CD. The CD contains 65 minutes of hand-picked scriptures to help you combat issues such as fear, discouragement, loneliness, stress. all backed by meditative instrumental music. Each scripture is spoken with a personal application to guide you in to experiencing freedom and peace and hearing God’s word for every area of your life. So for a limited time, you can get Eric Samuel Timm’s powerful book, Static Jedi, and my, Experience Freedom, audio CD together for a gift of only $25. Order this package at my website kylewinkler.org/staticjedi And you’ll be well on your way to less stress and more clarity. I opened up the Shut Up Devil! app many times, a few months ago, when I was going through severe cancer. Kyle’s ministry has spoke life into me at a time where I almost quit believing in myself. Kyle’s ministry does a fantastic job encouraging you midweek. And I really started to understand that God had a plan and he had a purpose directly for me. [music] When God saw you he saw all the good the bad and the ugly of your life if he still said, “I want to bring you into existence?” This is the key to overcoming feelings, is you have to know that you know, that you know, that God’s Word is more real than what you feel!