Fmr Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt Favors Gay Exorcisms, Says Gay Men Are Women, Must See


Welcoming back to the show Chaplain Gordon
Klingenschmitt, he’s, of course, former Navy chaplain, Air Force Academy graduate, and
a 16-year military veteran. Thanks for coming back, Gordon. Gordon Klingenschmitt: God bless you, David,
and God bless your listeners in Jesus’ name. David: When you were last on the show, you
talked about the inevitability of God prevailing when it comes to gay marriage, Don’t Ask,
Don’t Tell, so on and so forth. I would be interested to get your feedback on the most
recent developments on the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell first, and then let’s get
into some other topics too. Klingenschmitt: Sure. Well, as a former Navy
chaplain, of course, I took a stand for the religious rights of all chaplains and all
of our soldiers of all different religions to freely express their faith. And so I’m
very concerned now that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has been repealed and that open homosexuality
will be forced upon our military against their will that many of the Christian soldiers,
many of the chaplains, will be under fire if they dare to publicly express their free
religious views that homosexuality is a sin. Of course, in the Old Testament and the New
Testament, the Bible calls it a sin. And any chaplain or any soldier who expresses that
faith may now face persecution for… David: So let me say this, just to be clear,
what is your sense of what, I mean, is that a majority opinion among members of the military,
that homosexuality is a sin? I know you don’t know for sure, but what’s your sense? Klingenschmitt: Yes, I certainly believe that. David: Wow. Klingenschmitt: Even the Pentagon poll that
was released, of course, the biased media said oh no, 70% of the troops are in favor
of open homosexuality; that’s just not true. That statistic included people who had mixed
feelings. In other words, if 10% of the soldiers really want open homosexuality but 50% have
mixed feelings about it, then that leaves another, help me do the math here, another
40% on the right who have opposed… David: Yeah, but let’s… if we’re trying
to be honest and clear about the facts, let’s also be clear about how the question was phrased
and what it meant. I think that we would agree that the way it was worded and the numbers
indicate that close to 70% thought that the effects would be either positive, mixed, or
nonexistent. That is actually what the study said. Will you agree to that at least? Klingenschmitt: Well, the way I read the full,
you know, 350-page report… David: Yeah. Klingenschmitt: I posted all the real statistics
that the Pentagon apparently, or, the liberal media never reported. David: Right. Klingenschmitt: Did you know that 71% of our
troops said no, they’re not going to share open shower bay facilities with homosexuals,
they’re not going to share common sleeping quarters? One out of four soldiers, sailors,
and Marines are going to quit the service in the next three years, they’re not going
to reenlist. That’s a half million troops that are not going to reenlist if they are
forced to share all of these things with open homosexuals who are ogling them in the showers.
So I’m very concerned this is going to destroy national security, it’s going to lead to a
national draft. The number of homosexuals coming in will never eclipse the mass exodus
of Christians leaving the military. David: And so you believe that while it has
never been illegal or against the policy to be gay and be in the military, now that since
you are allowed to tell people that you are gay, the military, as you indicate, will fall
apart to the point of needing a draft? Klingenschmitt: Yeah, I’m concerned that’s
coming. Not only that, it’s going to cost the blessing of God upon our troops. Our first
Commander in Chief, General George Washington, not only had homosexuals drummed out of camp,
but also said that we cannot expect to have the blessing of God upon our troops if we
continue to insult God with our impiety and folly. So… David: So you agree with George Washington
on that take? Klingenschmitt: Yes, absolutely. I agree with
George Washington, and… David: Would you also agree with him, he was
in favor of slavery also. Are you also behind him on that? Klingenschmitt: Of course not. And I don’t
think he was. David: OK, OK, OK. Klingenschmitt: That was just, you know, a
sign of the times back them. David: Right. Klingenschmitt: But certainly, when God removes
his hand of blessing, I’m concerned, as a chaplain, that America will no longer be able
to fight and win wars, because now we’re fighting against Almighty God. The government has declared
war on God, and God will ultimately prevail in that battle. David: So George Washington being for slavery
was a sign of the times, but being against homosexuals in the military was because of
God? Klingenschmitt: Well, I’m not totally convinced
that he was for slavery. Most of our founding fathers were against slavery, but they were
waiting for the right time to repeal that. Of course, our founding fathers were never
in favor of homosexual sin. But the difference between skin color and homosexual sin is the
difference between night and day. There’s absolutely no relation whatsoever. One is
spiritually caused, homosexuality is a demonic disease, and it can be cured. The skin color
that a man is born with or the gender that a man is born with into the world is a gift
of God and should be honored. David: So other than the effect that this
will have on the ability of people in the military to talk about how they don’t like
homosexuality or that it is a sin, what other concerns do you have with open homosexuality
in the military? In other words, some people have said, and I think I may have heard you
say this talking to Thom Hartmann, that it’s not really manly, and that the U.S. military
is supposed to be manly. Can you elaborate on that? Klingenschmitt: Well, the whole debate about
whether Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was a truthful policy was twisted with lies. And I’ll explain
that specifically. David: Please do. Klingenschmitt: When a man who was born as
a man comes out in public and says, “I’m a woman!” well, suddenly he’s now… is he being
more honest about who he really is? No. Now, for the first time, he’s deceiving the public,
and he’s lying about who God really made him to be. So Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was an honest
policy in the sense that it prevented people from lying about who they really are. Men
should claim to be and act like men, women should claim to be and act like women. When
they start claiming to be somebody that they’re not, they’re lying, and that’s why Don’t Ask,
Don’t Tell was a good policy. We should… David: So let me… so, this is interesting.
I don’t want to misquote you, but so what I hear you saying is that when men say that
they are attracted to other men, they’re just flat-out lying, and Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
prevented those lies. Klingenschmitt: Yes. They are… David: Oh! Klingenschmitt: Not lying about their feelings,
I believe they really have those feelings, but they are lying about their identity. What
they need to do is man up, own their manliness, and stop lying about claiming to be a woman
all of a sudden. If I claimed that I were attracted to other men, well, that would be
a lie. I’m sorry… David: Well, because you’re not attracted
to other men, but maybe somebody else who says that is, right? And let’s just be clear,
you’re saying that having– being gay and being attracted to other men is the same as
saying, “I am a woman.”? Klingenschmitt: It’s certainly saying that
spiritually, inside, there is something that causes me to feel feminine feelings, and that
is the Devil. That is the deception. David: OK. Klingenschmitt: What they need is an exorcism,
honestly. As a chaplain, I prayed with a young lesbian sailor who came to me and said chaplain,
I don’t like the way I’m feeling, can you help me with this? We prayed with her, she
renounced her sin, she invited Jesus Christ to be the first man in her life that she trusted,
we had a wedding ceremony. She wept as Jesus moved into her heart and got the Devil out
of her. I looked in her eyes… David: So you are saying that you believe
that a gay exorcism is a legitimate and worthwhile thing to do in these cases? Klingenschmitt: Well, it’s the only spiritual
cause for– spiritual solution to a spiritual disease. David: Right. Klingenschmitt: When I looked in her eyes
and I said, “You foul demon of lesbian homosexuality, come out of this woman, in Jesus’ name!” she
began to weep, and she loved Jesus. She started reading her Bible, became the best Evangelist
in our church. She got baptized, and she started dating boys. There is hope and healing in
Jesus Christ for people who have, just as I have had. You know, when I was in college, I was a drunk.
I was addicted to alcohol. I was into lust and womanizing. When Jesus came into my life,
there was healing and there was deliverance, and now I have peace, I’ve been married to
my wife for 19 years, I’m very, you know, satisfied, I don’t drink alcohol. There is
hope and healing for people who… David: I have to ask, Gordon, this is for
real, right? I mean, we have not set this up. This is really what you think, and you
are, you’re being completely honest and serious that gay exorcisms, and you have helped a
lesbian become an ex-lesbian. All of, you’re… this is all real, right? We haven’t set this
up. Klingenschmitt: Yeah. No, I’m not… David: OK. Klingenschmitt: You know, the Bible works,
the Bible has always worked, it’s always helped people get rid of their sins, and we forgive
them of their sins. That’s the hope and the healing that we offer in Jesus Christ. David: OK. And just to kind of wrap up on
the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell thing, the idea of manliness and embracing manliness, I could
read you the list of 20-something countries that have… that allow open homosexuality,
in other words, you can say I am gay, I am a lesbian, whatever, in the military. And
that includes, you know, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Israel. Are you saying that the people
in those militaries are not manly in some way? And also, isn’t there the implicit sense
that when you say you have to be manly to be in the military, do you also think maybe
women shouldn’t be in the military or they shouldn’t serve the role… as significant
a role? Klingenschmitt: I’m open to serving with women
in service roles in the military. David: OK. Klingenschmitt: But not in combat. I don’t
think women should be in combat. And I think if you allow that door, then you’re going
to have to start drafting more young ladies and daughters. When you want the military
draft to bring your daughters into the military against their will and force them to fight
in combat on the front lines, then you’re ready for women in combat roles, but I don’t
think that’s right, I don’t think that that’s the way that God designed women. Women should
be in support roles, and I’m fine with that. David: And how do you know what– how and
why God designs something a certain way? Like how do you know? Klingenschmitt: Well, how much can they lift?
You know, it just… most women can’t… cannot pass the basic firefighting restrictions to
be able to… or, combat restriction to be able to lift their shipmate and carry them
100 yards, or… David: I see. Klingenschmitt: You know, if somebody’s wounded
on the battlefield, you can’t lift them to safety, that’s going to cost two people, because
now you have the woman going to try to rescue an injured man and now they both get shot
because she can’t drag him back to safety. David: So when you talk about, I’m getting
the sense that when you talk about the necessity for manliness in the military, it is not just
an anti-gay thing, but it is also somewhat of a sexist thing, right? I mean, it’s a combination. Klingenschmitt: [Laughs] I think there ought
to be equal standards across the bounds. If somebody can do the job, then go ahead and
let them do the job. But homosexuality is not the same as gender. Again, I support women
in the military, I do not support homosexuals in the military… David: Right. Klingenschmitt: Because that is a spiritual
issue and it’s a morality issue. It’s not a sin to be a woman, it is a sin to openly
engage in homosexual sex. David: All right, I wish we had more time.
Real quick, though, if we were to repeal… if we were to undo the repeal of Don’t Ask,
Don’t Tell, which I assume you would support, there would still be homosexuals in the military.
That part you’re OK with? Klingenschmitt: Well, I supported Don’t Ask,
Don’t Tell when I was in. I thought it was good policy. It allowed homosexuals to serve
as long as they didn’t flaunt it, as long as they didn’t hit on or be aggressive or,
you know, come out and march in uniform in gay pride parades and all that and celebrate
sin. Homosexuals can serve as long as they’re honest about who they really are and we don’t
have men coming out of the closet and claiming to be women. That’s a more honest policy. David: All right. Well, clearly, by repealing
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, we’re allowing them to come out and say who they really are. We’ll
have to leave it there. Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt, I do appreciate you coming on today. Thank
you so much. Klingenschmitt: God bless you, David, and
your listeners, in Jesus’ name. David: OK, we’ll be back after this.their
will and force them to fight in combat on the front lines, then you’re ready for women
in combat roles, but I don’t th Transcript provided by Alex Wickersham. For
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