Anti-Gay Nuts “Porno” Peter LaBarbera & Bryan Fischer; Interview with Nate Phelps – Best of 2010


Next up is somebody who probably didn’t like
us nearly as much as Mike did, and that’s Peter LaBarbera. And Louis, the big thing
with Peter LaBarbera that I remember is being told time and time again that we should’ve
told him that we were… how we felt on the issue. That’s what he kept saying, right?
My producer should’ve told him how we felt about the issue. Louis: Right. David: Talk about that. I mean, what do you
even think back when you think of that? Louis: I think first of all, he could’ve asked
me about it when I was on the phone with him. David: So he could’ve actually said to you,
“Well, what do you guys think about this anyway?” Louis: Sure. If he truly had no idea, which
apparently he didn’t… David: Right. Louis: Or I guess he just assumed we were
on his side. David: Yeah. And then– yeah. Louis: But like we talked about, he could’ve
done any amount of research. David: Yeah. Louis: 30 seconds’ worth of research on the
show. David: And he would’ve been able to know exactly
what our position was, right? Louis: Right. David: The other thing that I remember was
him coming later with an email saying something along the lines of you guys were dishonest,
you didn’t tell me that there were cameras in the studio. And I’m thinking to myself,
if it’s a radio and a TV show, there’s got to be cameras somewhere, right? Let’s take a look at a little bit of the interview
with Peter LaBarbera, and I think I have it here. Hopefully we do. Yes. And this is, of
course, the old studio, and looking back at this, Louis, it’s amazing what we were able
to do at that studio. Louis: I’m glad we’re out of there. David: Well, I’ll tell you, Pete, you couldn’t
be more wrong. The reason people are coming out earlier is because why would they wait
until after high school, because their parents would’ve killed them if they had found out
about it because it was just not something that was… you know, they did not feel comfortable.
And now as we learn more and more that it’s OK to be gay and it’s not evil, you’re not
going to Hell, kids are more comfortable coming out earlier. Peter LaBarbera: Well, that’s your opinion,
David. David: It is. No, of course. And we’ve heard
yours. And we’ve heard yours. LaBarbera: And I hope you would agree that…
what I hope you would agree, in the interest of balance and impartiality, which our public
schools are supposed to be, I hope that those kids would also learn that hey, just as there
are people who are proudly gay, there are also people who are proudly out of that lifestyle.
The problem is is that a lot of the institutions have sort of bought your propaganda and are
only teaching one side. David: [Laughs] Right. LaBarbera: And I think in the interest of
diversity, which your side probably talks a lot more of than my side, in the interest
of diversity, they ought to give the other side of the question. David: Well, you know, I was doing a little
research, it seems, Peter, like your organization is considered so crazy that even the anti-gay
movement sometimes thinks you’re too extreme. LaBarbera: Well… David: I mean, the example of the election
in… excuse me, the election in Maine where you and your friend Mike Heath were basically
shut out of the process by the National Organization for Marriage people, it’s amazing, is it not? LaBarbera: Well, David, two things. Two things
on that, David, one is your producer should’ve told me how strongly your pro-gay views were,
but that aside, listen, we’re in a debate here, and I think it’s interesting that the
people doing the censoring in this debate are not the pro-family side, it’s the pro-gay
side. You have groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, which
is absolutely desperate to make sure that no ex-gays, ex-gays, appear on shows like,
you know, on CNN and other programs. It’s not the pro-gay– it’s not the side, my side,
the pro-family side, which is censoring, it’s your side, and my question is what are you
afraid of? David: I have no idea. I’ll be honest, I have
no idea what you’re talking about. LaBarbera: I mean, you’re not censoring, at
least you’re having me on, although I wish your producer would’ve told me how strongly
you felt on the issue. David: I don’t… what are… I don’t know
what you’re… I’ll be honest, I don’t know what… I’m not censoring anything, you know,
you’re… I’m not interrupting you, you’re allowed to say your piece. LaBarbera: No, I’m not saying… No, I agree.
I agree, you’re not censoring, but there is a lot of censorship on the pro-gay side these
days. David: Really one of my favorite interviews
there with Peter LaBarbera, and these continue. There’s a lot of these. Most recently we talked
to Bryan Fischer, and here he is talking about there is no such thing, this is one of our
favorite lines, as a monogamous gay relationship. Bryan Fishcer: … do what we can to help
you. David: Well, OK, so I’m not very familiar
with gay sex myself, being heterosexual. I know that you speak and write about it a lot,
so I just want to ask you, what about a monogamous gay relationship is risky or causes HIV that
we should be telling people no, absolutely don’t do that, that’s a lifestyle you don’t
want? What is risky about a monogamous gay relationship? Fischer: Well, the problem, David, is that
there is no such thing as a monogamous homosexual relationship. [Laughter] Fischer: You look at the research, and homosexuals
themselves will admit many of them have as many as 500 to 1000 sexual partners over the
course of a lifetime. Anonymous sex, sex with strangers… David: Hey, if you’ve ever watched “The Howard
Stern Show”, you know there’s plenty of women with those records with men as well. Fischer: Well, I mean, that’s a pretty significant
record, and I would say to a woman, if you’re having 500 to 1000 sexual partners in your
life, you have got to stop. You are doing enormous… you’re exposing your health to
enormous risk. Please, for God’s sake and for your own sake, stop it. David: So it sounds like you would say to
anyone, regardless of gender orientation, if they’re having sex with 500 people, that’s
not good, but the question remains, in a monogamous gay relationship, what is the risk? Fischer: There is no such thing. David: But that’s just completely bogus. How
could anybody possibly believe that? Fischer: Homosexuals themselves will tell
you that. You know, when I had these guys came to my church and speak, they said you
know, I was in one of these so-called monogamous relationships, but we had an… David: These are the ex-gay guys, right? Fischer: Yeah, ex-gay guys. David: Yeah. Fischer: We had an agreement, me and my partner,
we had an agreement that we could fool around on the side. We would live together, maybe
we would be each other’s primary sexual outlet. David: Right. Fischer: But we had an understanding that
we could fool around on the side, and he said that is common in the homosexual community. David: Hey, I know of that… we’re getting
anecdotal here. I mean, it sounds like there is no risk to a monogamous gay relationship,
right? Fischer: Oh, sure there is. Anytime you engage
in anal sex, David, that is dangerous to human health. The rectal wall is one cell thick. David: Right. Fischer: It’s easily torn, so it allows any
kind of disease, infection, ready access to the bloodstream. It’s a bad idea. It’s a bad
idea whether you’re straight or gay. David: OK. So again, you would tell women
or men who have sex with a lot of men not to do that, you would tell women or men not
to have anal sex. So again, it sounds like these are just general sex tips from Bryan
Fischer, not even directed at homosexuality. Fischer: Exactly right. David: OK. All right, so that’s the Bryan Fischer interview,
a favorite among the audience, Louis. Check out the whole thing, of course. And his comment
about “one cell thick” is hilarious. That must be one wide cell to be… that’s the
biggest cell I’ve ever heard of. Louis: Yeah, yeah. This guy, if this is true,
I think he could break some serious ground in the medical field. David: I think you’re probably right. And
let’s go next, of course, to our interview with Paul Cameron, who is an expert in taking
research studies that study 17 people in questionable ways and making that established law of some
kind, or at least acting as if it is precedent for anything. Let’s take a listen. Paul Cameron: … down through the years. David: Do you personally think that homosexuals
are bad people… And we’re having a little trouble with this
one. Let’s see if we can get it back, because I’m telling you… … people or that they’re evil or that they
are not the way that God wants them to be? Cameron: Well, I think that those who acquire
a homosexual habit get changed. David: How do they acquire those habits, that
they… All right, and I think we’re going to have
to skip this one, Louis, because it’s just not working right. And I’m telling you, that
is a good one. Louis: It is. David: Wrapping up with our section on anti-gay
nuts, we were able to speak to a guy who does seem to have a good head on his shoulders,
and that’s Nate Phelps, the estranged son of Fred Phelps of the “God Hates Fags” Westboro
Baptist Church. Many people emailing me saying this is the interview of the year. It’s just
incredible to hear about both the physical and mental abuse that Nate and his sister
Shirley Phelps Roper, who did not leave the church, and everybody else suffered. Let’s
take a look at that. David: Interesting, because the impression
that I get and my audience has of Shirley, and we’ve interviewed her a couple of times,
is that there’s no turning of the God-talk with her, but you’re saying it is, in small
doses, it was possible? Phelps: Well, yes, and you’ve got to remember
now, we’re going back to the early- to mid-80s. David: Right. Phelps: And you can’t look at this campaign
that started, you know, in 1991, and so we’re talking almost 20 years now that this has
been going on. David: Yeah. Phelps: You can’t look at this and not say
that this thing has ramped up. And you know, they’re now involved in an endgame, because
they truly believe, Shirley said this at a, you know, on-camera at Obama’s inauguration,
their belief system and the idea that they’re moving forward with is that God is going to
come back on July 21st of 2012, and he’s going to take them up into Heaven, so none of them
are going to have to die, and then the Tribulation is going to start here on Earth. David: July 21st, 2012? Phelps: 2012. So… David: Do you believe that they are capable
of some kind of cult suicide? I mean, what do you think is going to happen on that date? Phelps: Well, I don’t know. All I can say
is when I think in terms of… or, try to put myself in their shoes and think in terms
of an endgame, that there is going to come a specific point in time when all this is
over, the very least I can imagine happening is that they become even more aggressive,
take greater risks, that, you know, their rhetoric’s going to ramp up, they’re going
to make people that much angrier, and you know, it’s frightening to consider the possibilities.
I, you know, there’s no evidence that they can or that they have or that they would,
you know, commit violence on themselves or someone else, but you know, this is a dynamic
that most of us can’t even get our minds around, that we’re literally thinking in terms of
we’re not going to be here at a specific date in the future. David: All right, so there it is, Nate Phelps.
Some people calling the full 25-minute interview the best one we’ve done the entire year. So
let’s take a break. Remember, Louis is hosting the last bonus show of the year. I can’t think
of a better reason to become a member today at www.DavidPakman.com. Louis: Don’t miss it. Announcer: The David Pakman Show at www.DavidPakman.com. Transcript provided by Alex Wickersham. For
transcription, translation, captions, and subtitles, contact Alex at [email protected]

37 thoughts on “Anti-Gay Nuts “Porno” Peter LaBarbera & Bryan Fischer; Interview with Nate Phelps – Best of 2010”

  1. All my friends – every single one (most of them gay or lesbian) are in exclusive monogamous relationships, and would never dream (even in their worst nightmares) of betraying their partners.

  2. Bryan Fisher is full of shit. The rectum is composed of a mucosa layer with villi, a sub-mucosa, two muscle layers, a serous membrane. and a mesentary It's much thicker than one cell (Bio major). Vaginas tear more easily in my experience : ) (accident)

  3. When I was young (1960s, 1970s) there were two blokes down the road who lived together in a monogomous relationship. Fischer does not know much about sociology or psychology and I doubt anything else he says is at best exaggerated.

  4. Maybe homosexual relationships would be more monogamous if they were……oh iono ALLOWED TO MARRY EACH OTHER!

  5. i wish i did have that many partners in my life up to now . then i would not
    be living alone right now LOL thees nut bags do think they know a lot about us who are gay

  6. I don't care about "ex-gays", All I want is respect for ALL, everyone lives life differently and as long as there is mutual respect, everyone can live the way they want.

  7. Promiscuity is not limited to the gay community, there's promiscuity in all sexual orientations.

  8. That is funny. My husband and me have been monogamous for 15 years. I know several people in gay relationships that are monogamous.

  9. My husband and I are a gay couple, together 18 years and 100% monogamous. I have very few heterosexual friends that can claim 100% monogamy. We are 100 % safe sexually. We do not have anal sex because we do not prefer it. Bryan Fisher is a complete idiot.

  10. so what do these people think about the abuse of thousands of kids in churches over the  whole duration of religion,

  11. Wait!!! God came down on my birthday?! And didn't even bring me cale or a birthday card?! What a jerk

  12. 500-1000 because it used to be so fucking taboo, gays would get married have kids and then have flings on the side, they COULDN'T be monogamous because it wasnt ok for a long time, look at gays now and I guarantee that has stopped as they can settle. He's dumber than anti vaccers who point to low polio rates as a sign vaccines dont work.

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